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Veteran here. I expected to be harassed. Expected it. But I didn't accept it. There's a difference. Prepare yourself for what you might face, but also prepare to fight for your rights. Granted, it made my time in service hell on earth to fight your coworkers every single day.
I would not support my daughter joining the military in the current climate. I don't want her going through what I did.
I'm in the army. 2 months of basic, 6 months of AIT. In that time frame, I talked to 3 detectives about sexual assault happening in my platoon. 1 male on male and 2 male on female. In fact, one of those was supposed to come to my operational unit.
It's fucked up. With how easy sex is to get in the army (We get paid a good amount and easy lays typically hang out near military bases) why do you want to go for the ones that DON'T WANT YOU? Nothing makes me flaccid faster than non consent. Even consensual non-consent with my wife is extremely hard to get into.
At least in the Norwegian military actually it was found that mixed-sex dorms and showers reduce the amount of sexual harassment because it takes the "forbidden fruit" effect off when the private parts of the opposite sex become unremarkable.
A lot of European armies like the Dutch, Danish and Norwegian actually have unisex dorms and showers which is probably considered pretty incomprehensible by US standards but I kind of feel Anglic culture and its sex segregation is what creates the problem and its need for more sex-segregation. It was told to me on this board that in the US sex ed is always sex-segregated at school because students are not comfortable talking about that in front of the opposite sex; it was always mixed-sex for me and I never really gave that much thought and I'm pretty sure US children are uncomfortable because they're raised in such a sex-segregated way that they start to see the opposite sex as something very uncomfortable and mystical.
13 years a Federal civilian for the National Guard. One incident I faced was when attending an IT training class at the National training center used: I was an avid runner, ran with other avid runners. One time, I ran with an officer one morning. He was nice and bragged on his several children and wife during our running conversation. Near the end, he invited me to his dorm for a glass of wine later that evening. I said “thank you, but I decline”. “ he said, why? I’m not going to hurt you”. I said “I just decline”.
The next morning, I was told to move to another barrack on the other side of the campus by security and housing.
I packed up and moved.
I always felt it was retribution for declining. He never spoke to me again the remainder of my training nor asked if I cared if he ran with me.
If we tell women they should expect sexual harassment, it's the same as telling men it's OK to do the harassing. It's simple as that. Is that the message we really want to send? Aren't we better than that?
I vaguely recall the first time I ever saw a major scandal of sexual abuse on the news: a some guys in the navy over the ocean were bullied and pushed around, ordered to strip naked, lay down and sprayed with a power hose. I couldn't have been older than 10 at the time of the scandal. Some older woman I know has sons in the army, and she tells me that things is 2018 haven't improved.
There is a bright side for women who are in the tiny minority in these places: When a dozen or so out of hundreds are singled out or aren't where they're expected it is a lot more notable.
Anyone enlisting should also expect to be killed on the battlefield.
Not going to be a popular comment but that is why I will strongly encourage my daughters to not join the military. There are many other ways you can contribute and be of service to your country.
Navy veteran here. I enlisted when I was 18 years old. I was just a kid. I was told by my recruiter that I needed to act like a man to get treated properly. So I went in with the idea that I couldn’t be a girl at all. I dressed in jeans and t shirts off duty, kept my hair in a short pixie. I thought my plan was working until I got to my second duty station.
I was standing Quarter Deck watch (the entrance to the ship, you stand at a podium next to the flag) it was summer so I was in my dress whites. They are kind of transparent and fitted so you could see my curves no matter what I did to hide them.
As quarter deck watch you are not allowed to talk other than to give permission to sailors to board/go ashore. So, I’m standing there doing my thing. A group of men who were on liberty (free time) and had been out drinking asked permission to come aboard. Permission granted. They circle behind me and one of the men says quite loudly “dude iamthepixie has a nice ass!” And they all checked me out as the passed by. I couldn’t say a word. Against the rules. One of those men was a Lieutenant. There was no way I could report an officer and not get screwed over somehow. To this day I never said a word. It’s been 9 years since that happened.
Rewind back to boot camp: I was part of what was called an “integrated division” meaning half of our 80 total was men. We trained,ate, drilled and went to school with 40 men. Separate berthing of course. They were called our “brother division” our RDC (recruit division commander” was male and so was our chief. On day one he gave a speech about how he didn’t want to hear words like “tampon” or “pad” ever. Or there would be consequences. So we were to refer to tampons as “plugs” and pads as “patches” we also never allowed to walk around the bunk area without at least sweat pants over our legs coming to and from the showers. We were never allowed to apply lotion unless we were in the shower area. We could not shave our legs unless it was Sunday and on our own “holiday” time which was 4 hours given to go to church and iron your uniforms.
When it came to physical training and getting “beat” which was intensive fitness training given to recruits who were failing at something (, think like a ton of push ups and sit ups, suicides, jumping jacks over and over until you slip in your own sweat and vomit) my commander spared nothing considering our fair gender. He’d say “I don’t care if you’re a girl, no crying allowed, in MY NAVY you’re just like one of the men” So he’d treat us differently on one hand then turn around and say we weren’t any different as it suited him.
Looking back this was pretty sexist. But we accepted it and dared not complain. Or we’d experience the wrath of a pissed off commander. Also fun fact : the men have a term for female Navy women that sleep around or they think are sleeping around. Navajos. Navy. Hos.
Just want to say my time in the navy was definitely some of the greatest memories and experiences. Yeah things like that sucked but I won’t let it overshadow my service.
This bitch is all kinds of horrible, but I have to admit she's not wrong. Any woman planning on joining the military SHOULD expect to be sexually harassed and most likely sexually assaulted. This isn't right, but it happens with horrific frequency and the brass is very obviously completely uninterested in doing anything about it. I'm not a veteran or a military expert so I don't know what the solution is, but considering you have a military justice system that is designed to be FAR more draconian than the civilian system it's a disgrace that sexual violence is as prevalent as it is. Why aren't these servicemen doing 20 years in Leavenworth for each assault?
I have a 5-year-old daughter and I will encourage her never to join the military simply because of this. I don't care about politics and wanting to serve the country or anything else - she shouldn't join the military unless she wants to get raped.
I don't get how as a guy, see other guys blatantly commit a vulgar crime. They know it's vulgar, but they have this 12 year old mentality where they have to get their dick wet.
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