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My little sisters campus has a ban on all weapons including mace, it's also the #1 campus for rape in the country. I told her to carry her fucking mace with her anyways.
If you carry a gun, it is your social responsibility to get GOOD training. Not some fly-by-night permit-mill taught by a shady gun show "instructor", but a good class with lots of live fire, malfunction drills, discussions on legalities, tactics, methods of carry, etc. If you can afford a gun you can afford a class. Read some reviews of different classes and then go get trained. Once you're legit, practice regularly.
Then, carry everywhere you're not prohibited by law. No one needs to know you're armed, especially on campus. The school is worried about PR and liability, NOT your safety. I repeat, NOT your safety. They're concerned with the APPEARANCE of a safe campus. When it comes down to it, they want to be able to show that they put ou the minimum effort at safety. Your well being is up to you, not the school, not the police, not anyone. You.
I would like to point out that just having a gun does not make you invincible. There should be an emphasis on how to prevent potential situations from happening, how to properly defend yourself, and if needed, to seek distance and use a gun when needed. Gunshots do not always automatically put down someone and a strong attacker can end up using the gun you carry on you.
Why are non-lethal self defense alternatives not an option here? Why does it have to be a gun?
TIL I have a "possible rape kit" in my car.
I've never understood this.
Its called concealed carry for a reason, no? If they can't see it they can't do anything about it...
Then again I'm not a fan of guns and don't really care.
Here's my opinion on this matter. If you really want to carry a gun or a self defense weapon or weapon of any sort, you are going going to do it regardless of what anyone else says or what the law says.
Like how some people say "Why can't we lower the drinking age?" Trust me, if you are underage and you want to consume alcohol, you are going to find a way regardless of what the law says.
I think what these people really want to say is that they want to be protected from the law just in case something goes wrong such as stray bullets hitting innocent bystanders, property damage, protection from expulsion, that type of stuff.
I typically do not respond to political posts on reddit as I much prefer to lurk, but I feel like this is a point I never see made:
How is it that anyone - private organization, property owners, state government, municipal government, etc - can ban necessary tools for self defense without themselves being made liable for my safety?
I don't personally own a firearm, but I support the right of individuals to be able to defend their lives and well-being with lethal force if necessary. If any organization deigns to take that capability away from someone, that organization should immediately accept any and all legal responsibility for that individual coming to harm through violent action.
If you disarm an individual and limit their capacity for self defense, it should follow that you would then be responsible for their inability to prevent harm coming to their person via your policies.
AKA, I'll accept extremely strict gun control laws the second myself or my family can sue the shit out of law enforcement for failing to prevent me from being injured/killed by an attacker.
Is this not reasonable? I ask this honestly and with the intent of spurring civil discourse.
Why is her advocacy for gun rights the main talking point of this story, and NOT the fact that this girl can't get protection from her fucking stalker during most of the day? What the FUCK
Ultimately, Dartmouth is a private school and they have a right to decide to allow or disallow weapons on their property. That's the bottom line.
However, for all of those in the thread who claim the student in question is being "too paranoid", please keep in mind this is a stalking victim. This poor girl was in fear of her life, and I don't know about you, but I'd be fucking paranoid too. Her stalker will be out in a year, and she's already on a campus with one of the highest rates of rape in the country. I think she has every right to be scared.
Does she know how to properly use a gun? Probably not. Should a paranoid person carry a loaded weapon? Most people would feel that's a grey area. But does she have a right to self defense? Absolutely.
As a student at Dartmouth, I feel the need to comment on this.
I think there is more to this story than what we are being told. I know many female students and many Safety & Security officers on campus and have never heard of anyone ever being refused an escort if they didn't feel safe.
While I can sympathize with this girl's predicament, I must say that I support the college's policy concerning guns. I don't want to take class and work on a campus where lots of people are packing heat. I would not feel safer with such a policy, and I know some students and professors feel the same way. I have had private conversations with professors who have told me that they would not teach in a classroom where students were allowed to carry weapons.
Lastly, it should be noted that the Hanover Police Department is less than two minutes from campus. The cops patrol the area all the time, and do a damn good job of it. We've had a couple of assaults during my time at Dartmouth, and the police made arrests very quickly. I'm sure that if this girl gave the police a description of this guy she says is stalking her, the police would take it very seriously and be on the lookout for him.
But I've not heard of any such action being taken; most of the information I have gotten about this has come from blogs and news reports that seem to favor a pro-gun agenda. She has not, to my knowledge, talked to The Dartmouth, our campus newspaper (which is a damn fine college newspaper, and a great way of being heard on campus). I just think there is more to this than what we are being told.
Fuck the rules pack some heat anyway. Better to be judged by 12 than carried by 6 I promise you that.
Every attractive female should have at least one battle axe and be trained to use it via a dwarf lord.
I'm European, so bear with me:
We have next to no guns in our society, at least not out in the public or used as a designated self-defence weapon. In fact, all "self-defence" gear is more or less banned, be it knifes longer than 12 cm, billyclubs, mace, tazers etc.
Now, I would feel less safe if guns were everywhere. I was in the army, I know how to handle guns, but I don't trust the stupid, panicky creatures called "people" to have guns.
Doesn't Americans feel the same way? I mean, all it takes for someone like her, a scared girl being stalked, is a percieved threat and out comes the gun, endangering everybody around her. And a school has plenty of people around.
I feel for her, I really do. Being powerless and targeted must be hell. But why is her feeling of safety more important than everybody else's? if it was a smaller workplace, maybe, but a school is such an uncontrolled, target rich environment.
Are dart guns banned in Dartmouth? Serious question.
There are people who want to own a gun, and than there are people who want a gun out of nowhere because they are scared. I wonder which one is most likely to use the gun in a lethal manner?
University's are like any other large buisness, they operate on cost benift analysis. If they allow you to be armed then they assume the liability for your actions but if your raped or murdered well then that's just a tragedy.
she shoulda told the school board what kyle reese said, "LISTEN AND UNDERSTAND. THAT STALKER IS OUT THERE. HE CAN'T BE BARGAINED WITH, HE CAN'T BE REASONED WITH. HE DOESN'T FEEL PITY, OR REMORSE, OR FEAR, AND HE ABSOLUTELY WILL NOT STOP, EVER, UNTIL I AM DEAD!"
So, let's forget about this girl for a minute and have a conversation about the stalker. This guy is clearly deranged and after he does his time he's going to be let back into society. What's to prevent him from stalking and raping another girl if he loses interest in this one? He's a ticking time bomb as far as I can tell.
Really what is the point of gun free zones? Are you really foolish enough to believe CRIMINALS are going to follow the gun free zones?
Looks like NH utilizes a CHL/license to carry similar to that of Texas. I have a CHL, and I was taught in my training that if you carry a gun somewhere you're not supposed to (like a bar, a federal building, etc.) and you end up needing it, they can't take away your license. If you're caught with it before that time comes, you can have it revoked. However, since it is a CONCEALED handgun license, no one should know you have it. Migrate over to /r/guns for more info, or advice on carrying.
Wait, so she needs to carry a gun on campus to defend herself from the stalker who is now in jail?
I understand that he will eventually be released and there's the broader principle of self-defense at play, too. But I think it's worth pointing out that the criminal justice system in this case appears to have worked (thought it sucks they had to move).
I read the story but I still can't see any reason why she should be able to carry a gun wherever she go's.
I had a R.C.M.P officer explain it to me when I asked if carrying a concealed (knife) when I was younger was smart, he didn't even care I had a concealed weapon on me. Lots of people got jumped at night, I was younger, it was for defense.
He looked at me, said 'if you have to use it. Use it. It's not about who's right and who's wrong, its about who's alive at the end of the day'
I make sure I'm alive at the end of the day. Regardless of the legality of what I need to do.
North Carolina State University here. I carry a knife at all times (although of course the size is restricted to palm length) because we get "Wolf Alert" notifications fairly often about B&Es, robberies and assaults near or just inside of campus. I have never gotten a message saying that Campus/Raleigh PD were on scene quick enough to catch the suspect. It's always accompanied by the usual nondescript description of: 6' black/white male wearing dark clothing. The police that are supposed to keep me safe are doing a piss poor job of even reporting these crimes (sometimes a very serious crime is committed but not reported by Wolf Alert to keep university image up) and for these reasons I feel that as long as students are not allowed to possess concealed carry weapons on campus, there will continue to be school shootings. College campuses are not "weapon free" zones they are "free fire" zones. Thousands of helpless people that are not legally allowed to defend themselves because the government or the school does not trust them. Pure stupidity.
I'm surprised with reddit today. So many more people are pro guns on campus than I would have thought.
Personally, I am, in general, quite supportive of the right to bear arms. However, a classroom is not one of the places I think it should be allowed. School is about learning and learning, especially at the university level, often entails heated arguments between students and sometimes teachers as well. Being confident enough to openly disagree with someone in a classroom is hard enough without having to worry if that person is carrying a gun. It may seem, and in fact is, quite unlikely that anyone would pull a gun in a situation like this, but the fact that it is possible limits the free speech and learning of other students and teachers for that matter.
edit2: I honestly wouldn't mind if people were allowed to carry outside the classroom. I just don't think they belong in a learning environment. The problem with that is, that there would be no reasonably safe place to store the gun while in class. Therefore, I think it makes much more sense to just not allow them on campus at all and trust in the safety of the local police and security.
edit3: None of you seem to be getting my point. I know it is extremely unlikely someone pulls a gun during a heated argument. It is the impact on the education that I'm truly worried about.
ITT rape, feminism, and gun control dramas
My protection>your "feelings"
At my old college I would get like 2 e-mail alerts a week from my college about people being robbed, stabbed, shot, or kid napped on or very near to the campus.
If she'd gone to UNH this wouldn't be a problem. Guns are allowed on public university campuses in the state of New Hampshire.